Was Jaime's Arc Ruined? Game of Thrones Season 8 Discussion

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  • Published: 16 May 2019
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    In this video we'll be taking on the question everybody has had over THAT major decision in Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 5 - Was Jaime's Arc for the ENTIRE series ruined? Did going back to Cersei in the end completely destroy years of story line and make his whole journey pointless? Lets go into it....


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  • Charlie chahar
    Charlie chahar  6 months back

    Totally agree George RR Martin says the only thing worth writing about is the human heart, if this doesn’t represent the conflicts within the human heart I don’t know what does.

    • 54markl
      54markl  5 months back

      Don’t give me the George Martin song and dance. The dumb ending was his idea.

    • Catsincages
      Catsincages  6 months back

      @Thomas Fernandez Well GRRM think he's going to live till he's 90+ so we may as well write them ourselves.

    • Thomas Fernandez
      Thomas Fernandez  6 months back

      How long do we have to wait for the books?

    • kuhpunkt
      kuhpunkt  6 months back

      People now pretending that he never cared, lol.

    • Catsincages
      Catsincages  6 months back

      @greenxxghostie No they aren't. Hypocritical ones are though.

  • obsessive fangirl
    obsessive fangirl  3 months back

    Look, this video is well explained and everything but I completely disagree 100%

  • Johnny Skinwalker
    Johnny Skinwalker  4 months back

    Sure I hate that he went into Cersei's arms instead of choosing Brienne(because really I do not care for Cersei, she is boring to me) but my main issue was that he did not do anything cool before dying. Here's someone that freaking saved the whole city and Dany and her dragon are burning everyrhing. I wish he would have gone after her and say "oh no bitch, you won't do that to my city" even if he dies in the process. I hate so much how the process of fighting the Night King and Dany was put together. Like there has to be a push by the main heroes to get after the main boss. Have all the main people with Valyrian steel fighting the White Walkers before the NK get at Bran. Like here instead of just Jon Snow, I wish we would have had genuine pushback from the heroes to fight Dany. A mix of Jon, Jaime, Davos, Tyrion, Arya, etc...

    When he left Brienne, Jaime said "have you ever seen me go down without a fight?" meaning he cannot stay here doing nothing. But that also means fighting till his last breath, not just going for Cersei. But actually do something!

    • Rachel Livingston
      Rachel Livingston  5 months back

      💯💯 loved it and couldn't be agree more. It hit a little too close to home so it got me feeling a little emo.. but another great video Carmine! Ty

      • 54markl
        54markl  5 months back

        Benioff and Weiss got sick of it, now everybody’s sick of it. They ruined the whole thing. George Martin, I am not pleased with you any more.

        • D B
          D B  6 months back

          It was the only fitting end, Cersie was his world, he did everything for her. Cersie broke him, he was never capable of truly feeling anything for anyone but Cersie. Which is literally what he told Brienne.

          • Sydni Taylor
            Sydni Taylor  6 months back

            I wanted to see a cat fight between Cersei and Daenerys. I'd like to have seen if either of them could fight and who'd win. But instead she dies with Jaime getting crushed by rocks. It would've been better if Jaime died during the long night.

            • UniversalPotentate
              UniversalPotentate  6 months back

              This was a good review! I feel like this wasn’t some weird ass distorted view, guided by a weird sense of expectation.
              I think before the last year, you weren’t hanging with Preston so much. I’ve never liked his take on the show or books.
              This review felt like you again.

              • Asehpe
                Asehpe  6 months back

                To the extent that a hero (which Jaime ended up being) is lost because of a character flaw, and, for Jaime, that flaw was Cercei, I have to agree that his arc was not ruined. Jaime was a human being, and he died a human being. He is one of my favorite characters, and I don't think I'll ever forget him.

                • redblueredblue100
                  redblueredblue100  6 months back

                  You're entitled to have your woefully incorrect opinion.

                  • CoinOpTV
                    CoinOpTV  6 months back

                    in an alternate universe Jamie skips the fight with Euron and has enuff time to make it up to Cersei to sneak her off on the boat - living happily ever after

                    • Walker McIntyre
                      Walker McIntyre  6 months back

                      Nah he’s just not the same character in season 8

                      • Cameron J. Wallace
                        Cameron J. Wallace  6 months back

                        Fire doesn't create Snow. It creates ash

                        • Obi-Wan Kenobi
                          Obi-Wan Kenobi  6 months back

                          The moments of Jamie, Bron & Tyrion were by far the best, their speeches and loads of sarcasm just brilliant The Hound also had some fabulous moments :)

                          • agnes q
                            agnes q  6 months back

                            Jaime's isn't the only out of character behaviour we've seen in the last season of the show. It's a trend that shows how little D&D care about wrapping up the show properly, they got sloppy. I thought it betrayed his whole storyline the moment he went back to Cersei after she used the wildfire on the Sept of Baelor. She did the very thing he dishonoured himself to prevent, it should've been the last straw and GRRM would never have let that happen.

                            • Marcus
                              Marcus  6 months back

                              Yes. it was ruined. He should never have had sex with Brienne. That ruined his arc and hers. It should have peaked when he made her a knight. The highlight of both their arcs. Then he could have gone on to do whatever he liked with Cersei because that is who Jaime was as a person. Loyal to just one woman. His sister.

                              • LJC
                                LJC  6 months back

                                What if jaime knew he was going to die eventually so he goes to winterfell to see his brother for the last time and in the event that he survived the long night, he would return to Kings landing to die with cersei?

                                • Marcin N
                                  Marcin N  6 months back

                                  0:16 Dude, nothing bothers you, you have no standards just an insecure fan boy ego which won't admit that what you like has turned to shit. You have continuously shown there isn't a shit bowl with GoT logo big enough that you wouldn't slurp up in an instant. In the meantime, in the real world where people do have standards, a petition to re-shoot season 8 that started just yesterday and on top of that before the season finale even aired, has already got a million signatures. THAT'S HOW BAD this series has become.

                                  • account_name_online online

                                    Shakespearean would be if Jaime strangled Cercei despite loving her

                                    • ricky ticky
                                      ricky ticky  6 months back

                                      Jaime’s ending was a bit anticlimactic to say the least.

                                      • Matthew Misbach
                                        Matthew Misbach  6 months back

                                        You have no idea what’s going on in game of thrones....

                                        • Kalel Greece
                                          Kalel Greece  6 months back

                                          i disliked the video. But when you said who doesn't know someone or experienced something similar i changed my mind. You are right. One thing is for sure, i am glad got out of my toxic relationship... many years ago.

                                          • Kezia
                                            Kezia  6 months back

                                            I thought I'd bawl my eyes out if/when Jaime died, but when he came back to protect Cersei, I was like fuckin die already! 😾
                                            The redemption arc - ruined just like that...in a matter of minutes.
                                            So, agree to disagree.

                                            • Ke_So_Dolo
                                              Ke_So_Dolo  6 months back

                                              Nope never been in a toxic relationship

                                              • Simon Söderroos
                                                Simon Söderroos  6 months back

                                                This was a good video.

                                                • Technoguy3
                                                  Technoguy3  6 months back

                                                  Endorse.

                                                  • Elisha Singh
                                                    Elisha Singh  6 months back

                                                    To me I felt he went back for the right reason this time. This time I believe he went to convince her to surrender and save the people until Tyrion gave him the idea to simply run away. I think he went back for love not blind obsession this time.

                                                    • Robert Kelly
                                                      Robert Kelly  6 months back

                                                      Daenerys will be killed by Jon because she became mad it's a believable bittersweet ending.

                                                      • crickett
                                                        crickett  6 months back

                                                        Oh yeah your brain dead if you think Jamie's character was not destroyed by D&D writings, his story arc along with ALL the characters were written with no concern of storyline set up/pay off. Children could tell a better story. The night king was suppose to be the huge villain, not cersi it was a shock to see how poorly this tv series give the fans the middle finger. I will not purchase season 8 for my kindle, I don't even know if I am going to watch any more George RR Martin tv shows vs the books

                                                        • PaulusAlone
                                                          PaulusAlone  6 months back

                                                          It wasn’t snowfall it was ash fall over kings landing.
                                                          Jaime’s character arc doesn’t work because he had cut the tie already and Cersei had literally tried to have him killed for Petes sake and that somehow undoes all of his progression and makes him WANT MORE of that?
                                                          Well, that works if Jaime is basically a massive masochist with his sister-wife holding his balls...but that wasn’t really how he seemed to me?
                                                          But then why does he make it worse for Brienne by sleeping with her and THEN running back to sis?
                                                          It would have worked better according to your theory if he turned Brienne down because he already realised he was “bad” as he says in the episode 4?
                                                          That just makes him look like a dithering douche bag and him and Brienne should have stayed unrequited to highlight the path he could not follow!
                                                          What they have done is to make him so fickle that you cannot even trust he wouldn’t turn away from Cersei again if they had both lived?
                                                          They didn’t nail his character down enough to justify this stupid ending and that’s not even mentioning the stupidity of Tyrion releasing him to run to his death?
                                                          Nah~ You can’t polish this turd!🥴

                                                          • Glitter Berries
                                                            Glitter Berries  6 months back

                                                            April was last month, Carmine.

                                                            • Anita Rabben
                                                              Anita Rabben  6 months back

                                                              He tried to change. .but we all go back to what we know. He loved cercei. He got to die in her arms. It IS love. Toxic or Not.

                                                              • peter morriss
                                                                peter morriss  6 months back

                                                                Well I hated Jaimes turn last episode it MADE NO SENSE! How can u not see that? He spends years improving and becoming a better person. He left Cersei and switched sides. Then he lays in bed for 10min after saying he was staying North and then decides to leave and go back to Cersei. He saved people from the Mad King only to say he doesnt care about the realm anymore? I could see it eventually playing out like this but the show butchered it. How can u possibly like this its insane writing? Also he gets caught because someone noticed his hand? UGH.

                                                                • Sarah James
                                                                  Sarah James  6 months back

                                                                  Short answer yes it was ruined.

                                                                  Jamie fell victim to lazy writing and the stupid belief that D&D would do an amazing job ...

                                                                  • Michael Madsen
                                                                    Michael Madsen  6 months back

                                                                    The whole show was ruined. Stop apologizing for it.

                                                                    • Tzukino14
                                                                      Tzukino14  6 months back

                                                                      I've known a person a bit similar to Jaime. He was a spiteful, arrogant human being, but he met this lovely good girl, who put him on the "redemption" path (somewhat like Jaime and Brienne) and for some time he seemed a changing person, becoming more gentle and good and so on, but at some point he just turned back, gave up on a girl and went back to his old ways. He told me he couldn't do it, cus he was a bad person and this good girl did not deserve it, even though she made him better, he was still bitter inside.
                                                                      I thought about it when watching Jaime go back, and even though I would love to see him with Brienne, this, as you said, is more human, more real, not a Disney fairy tale, but real life situation.

                                                                      • Tomatoe
                                                                        Tomatoe  6 months back

                                                                        Imo, Jaime started out as actually an "anti-villain" but he was given a redemption arc, which of course shifted the way the audience viewed him over time. There are a lot of different flavors of these tropes, but they pretty much ended up viewing him as more of an "anti-hero" when everything was said and done. We're looking at characters like "Jack Sparrow", "Wolverine", "Dexter", "The Hound", "Loki", etc. (with exceptions of course depending on what movie you're watching them in/at what point in their development they're at/there are a million different kinds of anti-heroes and villains) I look at it like they're kind of a "you *should* hate them, but you don't and you either don't know why or the character has done something to redeem themselves at some point. to earn your support despite the fact that they still lack a lot of the traditional features that our beloved protagonist/hero has) Usually they're still sort of wishy washy and untrustworthy/cynical, but there's still a spark there that keeps you rooting for their character.

                                                                        Anyway, that being said, anti-heroes usually come to one of two ends:
                                                                        1. they grow, change, or learn from their mistakes/change their point of view/find a new purpose in life
                                                                        2. they don't. they are ultimately unable to fulfill the hopes we've held out for them. in the end, they remain the same as they what they've always been on the inside, either unwilling or unable to find a way to change for the better

                                                                        both of these ends are fine, generally, but the audience usually *wants* to see them live up to their expectations. So, if the antihero is going to end up showing their cards and it's what we've always feared.. that they really are just unsalvageable to their core, it needs to be handled right. I mean, Game of Thrones has always been good at selling disappointing things to us while at the same time making us forget about them by the next few episodes. I think that has a lot to do with pacing and the actual timing of things, which was not handled very well at all with the 6 episode cap. So even though Jaime going back to Cersei makes sense on the basis of his character, which is morally flawed and always has been morally flawed, it kinda just came out of nowhere. That paired with the fact that people have been waiting for Cersei to meet her end for sseeevvverall seasons now... they didn't want to feel sorry for her in her final moments, let's just say that lol

                                                                        Sorry that was so long. Didn't expect to go that in depth lmao

                                                                        • Bob M.
                                                                          Bob M.  6 months back

                                                                          How can Teryan find out that Cersei and Jamie are dead?! They have to answer that right?!

                                                                          • Bmega81
                                                                            Bmega81  6 months back

                                                                            I liked the way they went out. It made sense to me. I also wasn't feeling the mini boss fight tho. lol Jaimie story always has been about the limits of redemption and I felt he did redeem himself to a degree but cersie always was his weakness and bad side. They came into this world together they leave together.

                                                                            • Jack Smith
                                                                              Jack Smith  6 months back

                                                                              Glad you made this video. Couldn't agree more. Just because he still cares about Cersei (who happens to be pregnant with his kid) doesn't mean his character arc is ruined. It was totally in line with his character.

                                                                              • Jack Smith
                                                                                Jack Smith  6 months back

                                                                                Why does pretty much everyone say that Cersei wasn't killed by Daenerys? I suppose the only other acceptable answer would be Drogon. Did the Red Keep just happened to collapse for no reason?

                                                                                • Quanny's Husband's mistress light bill

                                                                                  Its funny how you turned into the same guy you used to talk shit about

                                                                                  • Xavi Campoverde
                                                                                    Xavi Campoverde  6 months back

                                                                                    I wish you'd give us more uncut versions pf your opinion, its very interesting what you have to say about the show. Do you have some podcats or something?

                                                                                    • Stephen64138
                                                                                      Stephen64138  6 months back

                                                                                      It is crap.
                                                                                      Period.
                                                                                      Jaime should have killed Cersei to save Kings Landing.
                                                                                      Period.

                                                                                      • billy frage
                                                                                        billy frage  6 months back

                                                                                        The whole arc of the show is ruinied

                                                                                        • Ana E
                                                                                          Ana E  6 months back

                                                                                          my biggest problem is just episode 4, it feels so rushed, cartoonish and just like the writers had checked out.

                                                                                          • King Markus The First
                                                                                            King Markus The First  6 months back

                                                                                            Are you allowed to bang your sister in Hell?

                                                                                            • Sam Loomis
                                                                                              Sam Loomis  6 months back

                                                                                              You know it is bad when George RR Martin even refuses to discuss, acknowledge or be involved with the series now.