Game of Thrones: S8E4 - Show Only Review

  • Published: 07 May 2019
  • Aziz and Sean discuss their thoughts on episode 4 - The Last of the Starks.

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Comments • 177

  • Smokebeer
    Smokebeer  3 months back

    The rewatch Carrys on little did Shaun know @52 mins in he nailed the ending hehe

    • Steph Snow
      Steph Snow  6 months back

      Is that Bron on that gentleman’s T-shirt? If so, where can we get one? I might need that! 😍

      • Michael Madden
        Michael Madden  6 months back

        "The dragons aren't the trump card they used to be." When were they the trump card? At what part in the show have they used Dragons in any military role since leaving Esos? They have burned and killed people for sure. At no point in the history of this show has anyone, and I mean anyone, not just the military minds stopped and said "hey, we have fire breathing weapons of mass destruction, we may be able to use them." I cannot think of a single scene where battles were being planned where the men in charge even mentioned the dragons. Battles seem to be planned as if dragons do not exist. Please prove me wrong.

        • Evan Cappello
          Evan Cappello  6 months back

          I don’t understand how you guys do NOT get +5k viewers EVERY STREAM! Easily some of the best and most logical content on YouTube! Keep it up!

          • Brythonic
            Brythonic  6 months back

            Qyburn being both the Hand of the Queen AND Grand Maester is super op !

            • Keith Tagore
              Keith Tagore  6 months back

              I get people's frustrations, but in the same sense GRRM did warn us that legend and prophecy are things we shouldnt always believe or hold onto. Have the show writers gotten lazy these past few years, yes..but they were also heading to a brick wall with a deadline of the show with no source material to work with. That said, there is only 2 episodes left, let's try to enjoy it for what it is and leave the Monday morning quarterbacking for when the show is finally done

              • Robert Zenni
                Robert Zenni  6 months back

                The problem is the show taught us to think one way, and now they are just like all the other shows ,and that sucks like the show

                • Vfor Vriendetta
                  Vfor Vriendetta  6 months back

                  They're the last of the Starks because Bran can't have kids, Jon is a Targ and if Arya and Sansa have kids they won't be Starks.... There won't be any more Starks.

                  • Ms. Byrd
                    Ms. Byrd  6 months back

                    Mageor I built the 'Red Keep' with many 'hiding places' and 'secret exits' so that HE could survive an attack. We know of only one at the moment what if someone like Varys, Poderick, Gendry, Davos, Bran or even Tyrion know of others? They could seek in, kill or otherwise 'neutralize' the Kingsguard and take Cersi maybe even without firing a shot.

                    Or just like Jamie, they could sneak some soldiers into Kings Landing to free up the known secret Sea Entrance to get into the city... Or Varys' child spy ring may have told him about a few other such ways into the city which he could now share with Jon (if he really doesn't want innocents killed).

                    • Eugenia Geneva
                      Eugenia Geneva  6 months back

                      I think that is Jaime, in the hooded cloak in kings landing... and once The Golden Company finds out about Jon being R. Targaryen’s son... they are going to flip the script. I hope! Lol

                      • Eugenia Geneva
                        Eugenia Geneva  6 months back

                        She revived the Boratheon name... it was a bad idea... she and Cersei have zero claim to the throne, by law, with a legit Baratheon alive... Baratheon won the throne by war, it makes his claim to the throne legit now! He could literally end up King, if Cersei, Dany and Jon die or don’t want it! It I’ll come back to bite someone.

                        • Eugenia Geneva
                          Eugenia Geneva  6 months back

                          Leona swore her loyalty to Jon, first before anyone else... she died fighting for the north, she was a northerner, and of course, she was named after his mom.

                          • Eugenia Geneva
                            Eugenia Geneva  6 months back

                            I think they are trying to show Jon, Aegon... as this kingly figure. He is shedding his stark skin, and he’s going to embrace his Targaryen side.... then Raghal dies.... so I think if they had shown Jon cuddling Ghost, it would be more about fan service than anything per the story.
                            1. Lady dies when Sansa betrays Arya at the crossroads.
                            2. Summer dies when Bran does, in the bloodraven cave.
                            3. Nimberia is still out there, wild, like Arya
                            4. GreyWind dies when Rob does... red wedding, and always right beside Rob.
                            5. ShaggyDog dies when Rickon is captured, and is used to identify him as a real stark!
                            6. Ghost is going north... I have a feeling, in the end... if Jon dies... they will take him north like he did Ingritt(wildling girlfriend). Or he ends up running north to get away from Westeros. Idk? We will see. Lol we bitch about fan service when it happens, then we bitch, when it doesn’t. 🐺🐉🐺🐉🐺 I also see Ghost being the representation of Jon, never really being a true stark... that is why he’s not with Ghost as much as Rob was... AKA.. cgi budget vs. full grown dragons. Lol

                            • Cole Ratcliff
                              Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                              I think Jon sending Ghost North is more symbolic of him trying to embrace the truth of his Targaryean heritage.

                              • No1important88
                                No1important88  6 months back

                                Does Preston Jacobs have a chapter in this book?

                                • Cole Ratcliff
                                  Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                                  Brienne has Jaime's heart, but Cersei has his soul...

                                  • dabbieist
                                    dabbieist  6 months back

                                    In the end Gentry will be King

                                    • An Exploration Of Visual Arts & Ideas

                                      Actually guys there are only two ways the show will ned with regards to Jamie and arya. These are the two major players to end off the series. Here are the ways bothe Jamie and Arya execution can go. If the writers aren't going to do this, they're stupid.

                                      Jamie's mission: He kills Cersie and thus fulfilling the prophecy of Cersie's death or he kill Dany after she kills Cersie. In either situation Jamie is a Queen Slayer regardless. Whether he'll live or die is another story

                                      Arya's mssion: She kills Cersie thus crossing off the final enemy on her list fulfilling the Green Eye's prophecy, or kills Dany after she try to kill Jon. Killing Dany is highly unlikely since Dany doesn't have green eyes nor is she on Arya's list, but what do I know, the writers clearly didn't give a crap based on the past 2 episodes. They rushed the story, which is obvious in many ways not only de to mistakes of character arc or the story itself, but also decision making by the writers who aren't that great at their jobs as is apparent when they don't have a book to reference or they're unable to think clearly without more money being pumped into the show. HBO accountants said enough is enough make it work on a balanced budget yearly or the show is done. Obviously David and Dan couldn't do that.

                                      When executive agree with the accountants, that's when the axe man comes out.

                                      • Cole Ratcliff
                                        Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                                        @An Exploration Of Visual Arts & Ideas lmao Triggered much? Haha what a little bitch, you just want to spread your obnoxious toxicity and then run cause you're scared of being challenged. First of all, I'm way smarter than you and your moronic ideas about how Arya and Jaime's story end prove that. lol You can bitch and moan about the show all you want, it's not going to change anything.

                                        And I actually agree with you that D&D not having GRRM's source material to draw from during these last couple seasons has severely impacted the quality of the show. Cerebral characters like Tyrion and Littlefinger all of a sudden start to feel out of character without GRRM's guidance. Fact is, GRRM weaved a web in the books too complex for D&D to articulate on their own without the blueprints/books.

                                        I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm disagreeing with you acting like an entitled little prick and insulting them like a child, calling them stupid. The show, while not as good as earlier seasons, is still a masterful work of TV compared to what else is out there. And of course the show won't be as good without GRRM's books, no shit. D&D aren't equipped to write a story like GRRM would. It was never going to end even close to as good as GRRM's books. But I love this show and the books, and I'm not going to let the drop in sharpness in the story sour my enjoyment of the final season. And I certainly won't let some punk like you sour my enjoyment of it either. Take your negativity and go shove it up your ass. Nobody wants you here.

                                      • An Exploration Of Visual Arts & Ideas
                                        An Exploration Of Visual Arts & Ideas  6 months back

                                        The writers are stupid and so are you. The rational of the show has been dead since season 5 if you paid attention to the show. They went off the rails ignoring the logic of the books and did their own thing. Every logical direction in season 8 episode 3, that people assume would happen, didn't happen. That's proof that it's all plot armor leading from one thing to the next, and that Dick & Dick are more interested in "shock and awe" than what makes sense. If you can't see that by now your ignorant and your lost.

                                        And yes Jamie isn't going to kill his unborn child you fool. What I stated is a direction they might take the show and not that it will actually happen that way. Emphasis on the word used "CAN GO" and not "Will Go." I was describing things from an illogical point of view because the writers are doing things from an illogical point of view. Arya being the one to killing the Night King wasn't an obvious choice but it was the most understanding choice since it was implanted in the show since season 3, when the books were still a thing. Dick and Dick didn't come up with that George R.R. Martin came up with that.

                                        Think before coming to a stupid ignorant conclusion, and don't ever waste by time with your pre-school logic again. Think universally and not boxed in. The writers aren't playing by the rules of the book anymore so anything can happen no matter how ridiculous. So if people hate on them, that's technically their own fault, trading sense for shock and awe. Dick and Dick simply closing out the story their way regardless of who agrees with them or disagrees with them. So whether you right or I'm wrong or vice versa, they don't give a shit about either of us. It's their production. They do the most ridiculous or the most logical thing, if they feel like it.

                                        And if you still don't get what I'm saying after these three paragraphs, you're not contradicting because of the show, you're contradicting for contradiction sake. To have the whole wide world see your beliefs and ideas. In either case I won't return any future comments if this post is return replied, whether good or bad. I've said what I had to say. I'm out.

                                      • Cole Ratcliff
                                        Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                                        Jaime isnt going to kill his own unborn child. And that entire valencar part of the prophecy is completely absent from the show. HMM. I wonder why that is. So the writers aren't stupid, I'd say your idea is. lol They want everyone to think Jaime kills her just like they wanted you fools to think Jon would kill the NK.

                                        Also Arya getting to kill BOTH the Night King AND Cersei, getting BOTH of the final big two villains? Don't make me laugh, talk about bad writing. And you diss the writers. lmfao. We'll see soon enough when those simpleton theories don't happen.

                                    • dabbieist
                                      dabbieist  6 months back

                                      I think Johnn is more like Ned than any of the other Stark children

                                      • dabbieist
                                        dabbieist  6 months back

                                        Bran is the last of the Starks, The name isi normaly carried by the male unless the girls decide to keep their last name. If they have children, the child would take the name of the father.

                                        • Leslie Alfonso
                                          Leslie Alfonso  6 months back

                                          dabbieist Not necessarily. There are several families that allow the name to be passed down the matrilineal line. One of the Northern examples are the Mormonts.

                                      • Phillip Castillo
                                        Phillip Castillo  6 months back

                                        If Jamie survives then I believe brienne is pregnant. He can now be an actual father.

                                        • dabbieist
                                          dabbieist  6 months back

                                          In the book one of the Dorne Children was a Martell. Remember Sam meet him

                                          • Phillip Castillo
                                            Phillip Castillo  6 months back

                                            I think hound kills qiburn for what he did to his brother. I thought hound forgave his brother back at that village.

                                            • Colin Jones
                                              Colin Jones  6 months back

                                              Cersei and Danny both had miscarriages, both wanted to kill their brother, both were forced into marriage, both had 3 children and has watched them die...

                                              • Will Mosse
                                                Will Mosse  6 months back

                                                Shaun is totally right and Aziz is wrong on Jon telling Sansa and Arya that he is a Targ. It is not about Jon subconsciously wanting the throne at all. Jon is fundamentally against deceptions and secrets - it is the core of his character. The secret of who his mother is has torn at him all his life, and this has given him the central moral conviction that it is wrong to hide the truth. Every time he thinks about the man he thought was his father, he think how honourable he was but, but then there is this big BUT - and the secret that is Ned’s dishonour. Jon ain’t keeping no secret about parentage, family, etc.

                                                • Deborah Summers
                                                  Deborah Summers  6 months back

                                                  John was bloody killed that tramua goes beyond anything Danny or cersei have experienced.

                                                  • Deborah Summers
                                                    Deborah Summers  6 months back

                                                    Danny has always been a tyrant

                                                    • Cole Ratcliff
                                                      Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                                                      ​@Deborah Summers Dany would certainlybe a better ruler than the previous 5 people to wear the crown.

                                                    • Deborah Summers
                                                      Deborah Summers  6 months back

                                                      For the record, that was my son in previous comments, lol, I do NOT agree with him at all about Dany- I want her to win!!

                                                    • Deborah Summers
                                                      Deborah Summers  6 months back

                                                      @Cole Ratcliff If she does not burn them props. But them being scum is why we looked over her previous actions.

                                                    • Cole Ratcliff
                                                      Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                                                      @Deborah Summers No she hasn't. Are you talking about when she crucified the Masters? I guess that counts because a lot of them were innocent, but most of them were scum anyway, but what does Dany end up doing after that? Marrying someone from Mereen and reopening the fighting pits in an attempt to make peace and find common ground with her people. She also took her advisors council in not going directly to King's Landing and burning all of the innocent people in the city. That's not what a tyrant does. So, no, she isn't.

                                                    • Deborah Summers
                                                      Deborah Summers  6 months back

                                                      @Cole Ratcliff She has killed scores of innocents.

                                                  • Will Mosse
                                                    Will Mosse  6 months back

                                                    I can’t help seeing The North on the map of Westeros between Aziz and Shaun as Old Nan’s head. The estuary to the bottom left is the mouth, the lake above that is the eye, etc.

                                                    • Will Mosse
                                                      Will Mosse  6 months back

                                                      Gendry is now the true born heir to a legit King of the Seven Kingdoms. Dany just introduced a new contender for the throne.

                                                      • Monica Sanders
                                                        Monica Sanders  6 months back

                                                        Why is everyone whining about Ghost. In season 1, Ned and Catelyn left their recently injured son, who wasn't going to regain the use of his legs again. I didn't hear much character hate then.
                                                        Please help me understand in what universe does that make sense?

                                                        • Paul Barry
                                                          Paul Barry  6 months back

                                                          It’s funny to hear you talk about Jon’s grandfather going south and being burned by Dany’s father. It was actually one of Jon’s grandfathers being burned by the other...

                                                          • Veronica Doggone
                                                            Veronica Doggone  6 months back

                                                            Sansa is a student of Little Finger... she knows secrets and knowledge are the most powerful weapon one can have. There's no way she wouldn't have sworn to Jon and passed up the ammunition

                                                            • Marcus Tully
                                                              Marcus Tully  6 months back

                                                              I don't know why the scorpions are being made to be such a big deal of. Everyone's commenting on the danger the present. You'd think after this recent dragon death, Dany would just change the strategy a bit.
                                                              I mean, all she has to do is wait for an overcast night with no moon or starlight, and hit the city then. As good Quiburn (spelling??) is at engineering new weapons, it's not like they have the newest radar technology or night vision. Except for maybe lighthouses, they don't even have spotlights. The only light they have is from fires, and fire would make everything worse. Anyone who's ever sat around a campfire knows that unless someone is standing within a few feet of it, you can't see ANYTHING beyond that. Just what it does to your night vision makes it a hindrance.
                                                              If she does use him during daylight, then they do deserve to lose.

                                                              • Sir Mullich
                                                                Sir Mullich  6 months back

                                                                Her laughing after your self loathing comment, LMAO.

                                                                • where u wanna be
                                                                  where u wanna be  6 months back

                                                                  You guys tend to invalidate people's negative opinions of the show and that's unfair.

                                                                  • Cole Ratcliff
                                                                    Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                                                                    @where u wanna be Nahh think I'll just keep enjoying the show right here where people are supposed to. I have a better idea, why don't you go spread your negativity somewhere else.

                                                                  • where u wanna be
                                                                    where u wanna be  6 months back

                                                                    @Cole Ratcliff Go be weird somewhere else fanboy.

                                                                  • Cole Ratcliff
                                                                    Cole Ratcliff  6 months back

                                                                    Nah, they're just right.

                                                                • Christopher Lavallee
                                                                  Christopher Lavallee  6 months back

                                                                  Great shirt game as always fellas

                                                                  • Rick Bowen
                                                                    Rick Bowen  6 months back

                                                                    READ ME! I AM THE ONLY ONE I HAVE SEE TO HAVE NO DOUBT,100% FIGURED OUT THE ENDGAME! YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
                                                                    There were two things that really got me thinking. The first was the title of the episode. "The last of the Starks". On the surface, nothing in this episode made that title make sense.
                                                                    The other thing was the scene immediately after the Starks meeting in the Godswood. Sansa is standing on the bridge crying before Tyrion approaches. Why? Why would learning that Jon is her cousin....make her cry? That didn't seem right to me. Then Sansa+Tyrion have their talk and as Tyrion leaves......Sansa pauses a long time before calling out to him and asking "What if there was someone else"? The "someone else" she names is because of that meeting they had in the Godswood. When Jon said "Tell them", we are lead to believe that Bran will tell the Stark girls that R+L=J. But the jumpcut to the next scene wasn't simply because that's old news. I think they sleight of handed the fact that Bran told them alot more.... including their futures. This would make sense of alot of this episode.
                                                                    First of all, Arya has always been will full, determined and confident. Yet she tells the Hound she doesn't plan on coming back. She says as much, because Bran told her she will die.
                                                                    This also explains the obvious snub of Ghost by Jon. He didn't say farewell to Ghost, because he KNOWS he will see him again, in the far North, when he abdicates his throne and "ghosts" the seven kingdoms,to avoid any conflict over his claim. And we already know that Bran isn't Brandon Stark of Winterfell anymore. He has told us that he is "something else".
                                                                    That just leaves gorgeous Sansa Stark, crying on that bridge, because she just found out that her sister is going to die and she will never see her brother"s" again, and.......Then,she and Tyrion converse and as he is leaving.....the long pause before she speaks is because she isn't sure if her next words will cause the future that Bran revealed or if it's all inevitable...."Tyrion....what if there's someone else"?.....that someone is Tyrion himself (who may even have known from his talk w/Bran) This may explain his dogged, but apprehensive support of Dany. And why he risked walking up to the gates to speak to Cersei, knowing she's always wanted him dead.If he didn't hear from Bran, then he heard from Sansa he will be King Imp(luckily, Tywin's grave was quite spacious.Plenty of room for rolling over)Dany will die+Jaime+Cersei will die, Tyrion is Cersei's heir as her brother of Lannister. So, Ser Bronn of the Blackwater will be very amused to be calling in a debt from King Tyrion, who will rule alongside his ladywife, Sansa(f.k.a Stark)Lannister. If I am right, the title of the episode makes alot more sense and this truly was, "The last of the Starks".

                                                                    There were other things in the episode to support my theory...when Bran says he spends most of his time "in the past",this present is his past. The Godswood, all of it is the past for him. Also, when Jaime dicks it up to spare Brienne mourning him and leaves Winterfell, doesn't Sansa say something odd, like "He knows what he has to do" or something?
                                                                    Luckily Jon will already be far North, when Bran "3E/Nightraven raises the wight walkers again.Jon IS the "Prince that was promised" .

                                                                    • Rick Bowen
                                                                      Rick Bowen  6 months back

                                                                      @Monica Sanders after Jaime rode off?

                                                                    • Monica Sanders
                                                                      Monica Sanders  6 months back

                                                                      Sansa said "I always wanted to be there when they executed your sister"

                                                                  • Joe Mieszczur
                                                                    Joe Mieszczur  6 months back

                                                                    to me it seems like the night king most certainly was using jon to keep "azor" busy and to aid the king in getting a dragon to get past the wall. It feels like the king was very deliberate in EVERYTHING he did thus far. in hardhome, to show him its futile. In winterfell to egg him on and make him angry and keep him occupied. only once jon was losing did the king make his move on bran. the king went after the dragons but aggressively tried to kill jon on that dragon, not so much the dragon it was fighting. then once jon was preoccupied and unable to fight the king directly, fighting a dragon and an army of the dead, he moved on bran. if the king didnt die jon would have been killed. he was about to be blue dragon fire.

                                                                    • Stark Reminders
                                                                      Stark Reminders  6 months back

                                                                      The ONE TIME we’re not watching live you give us a shout out. 🤣 Thanks guys!

                                                                      • Heather Riede
                                                                        Heather Riede  6 months back

                                                                        1:50:30 Yeah true I guess that's a good reason for her not to try that, but I was wanting her to.

                                                                        • Jennifer Garra
                                                                          Jennifer Garra  6 months back

                                                                          NEVER ENOUGH OFFICE! My favorite show ever!

                                                                          • Heather Riede
                                                                            Heather Riede  6 months back

                                                                            1:29:30 lol too soon too soon! Thx for the live streams! I was able to listen to most of this live.

                                                                            • Heather Riede
                                                                              Heather Riede  6 months back

                                                                              lol 23:50 messed up

                                                                              • Eirie
                                                                                Eirie  6 months back

                                                                                43:20 I wouldn't knock the Twins; they generate alot of income tolls, which requires no upkeep unlike real estate.

                                                                                • Thomas Smithson
                                                                                  Thomas Smithson  6 months back

                                                                                  Hey if we use the foreshadowing of the direwolves to represent where the owner will end up I think it's a very real possibility that if Jon becomes King and Danny dies by some betrayal because of HIS secret heritage he will know either Sansa or Arya told and if Sansa admits she told I think Jon might sentence her to death for treason and kill her himself. I feel like there are clues for this with Arya telling Jon not to forget his family and in the book Sansa tells everything and that lady is killed for a crime she did not technically commit and she was killed by the warden of the north. Something that popped in my head that seems like it could be a real possibility that I would've never guessed before

                                                                                  • Runa Reinert
                                                                                    Runa Reinert  6 months back

                                                                                    Loved the show, thank you :)
                                                                                    Could the Daenerys foreshadowing of babies, be Drogon laying eggs? Might not be a human baby.
                                                                                    Arya, nah, was her first time, not likely she is pregnant, possible but not likely especially not in her tired state.
                                                                                    Sansa has her strength, but she also has her courtesy she never lost that.
                                                                                    Ghost should have stayed in Winterfell. Why did he say goodbye, does jon know he is going to die??
                                                                                    About Dani and Jon, I think its strange, she used almost all tricks in the book to manipulate jon, but she did not try asking him to not tell till after they get the capitol and throne. BIG overlook of compromised solution to a bad situation. I really think she lost a dragon because she rushed.

                                                                                    • KenobiClone
                                                                                      KenobiClone  6 months back

                                                                                      Aziz is trying so hard to remain positive and not shit all over the show, it’s very very hard at this point and I applaud you. I think most of us hardcore fans are feeling deflated and just kinda accepting the fact that we’re not getting the ending George would write.

                                                                                      • Robby Podobinski
                                                                                        Robby Podobinski  6 months back

                                                                                        He can only be fakely positive for so long.. sooner or later the night king will make his way to the realms of men...and you'll be ready for him....

                                                                                    • lili kahlo
                                                                                      lili kahlo  6 months back

                                                                                      It could be the people who kill Ceirsei