Why has Tyrion stopped being clever?

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  • Published: 21 April 2019
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  • Xantheus07
    Xantheus07  1 weeks back

    Because DnD believed their own hype and thought they was why the show was good. They pissed off George so he said fuck you write your own script and this is the result.

    • Zehm
      Zehm  3 weeks back

      I think you're being too generous saying that Tyrion was on top of things during his time as the hand of the King. He was almost completely focused on Cersei and ignorant to the motivations of the other players. That allowed Littlefinger and Varys to run circles around him. I mean how smart could he be when he was handed a crossbow and told which secret passage leads to Tywin's room, but that he shouldn't go their and kill him, honestly. He brought down his own house with a bit of pushing in the right direction. He even continued to rely on his enemy after the fact, oblivious to how he had been manipulated. Tyrion has never seen the bigger picture about anything. He lives in a bubble where the only things that matter are those things that directly relate to himself or his past. He's not smart. Tywin had the right of it. He's cunning at best.

      • dave lawandra
        dave lawandra  4 weeks back

        He forgot to shave.....

        • Darkone539
          Darkone539  1 months back

          This is the problem with game of thrones. Seasons based off the book were so good that everyone assumed the bad writing was actually a plot. I suspect there's a hint of this in the books as well, everything has a theory when there's not necessarily one, but that's a consequence of how many years it's taking to get the last books.

          • Eddison Tollett
            Eddison Tollett  2 months back

            Simple answer:
            GRRM IQ : 240
            D&D IQ: 120

            • k pax
              k pax  2 months back

              D&D are incapable of clever thoughts without source material to point the way. GRRM was their GPS.

              • tytybaby06
                tytybaby06  2 months back

                This didn’t age well he just got dumb & the writers suck

                • Ozzie Solo
                  Ozzie Solo  2 months back

                  Bad. Writing.

                  • Laura Guerra
                    Laura Guerra  2 months back

                    Interesting though I have an alternative theory, the show failed miserably at showing it but I think Tyrion with time felt slightly guilty of having killed Tywin. A couple of times he either said it or we can see that he feels guilty. We never saw him finding out Myrcella had being killed - that surely must have hurt deep for him since he was the one who sent her there -. Then with Tommen's death, I suspect he started feeling bad for Cersei and for Jaime: they both had lost all their children and their father, and on top of that there he was, assisting the one person who wanted to destroy them. Tyrion is clever but he is also a good person. My guess is that it is not that he stopped being clever but he was conflicted, split in two in a situation where regardless of the outcome, he had something to lose. He had pledged himself to Dany and he wanted to do that, but then that meant he also had to destroy his family - and he did love Jaime -. This is why - when Jon showed up with an alternative route - he wanted Dany to support Jon: that was an enterprise he could back without any personal conflict. He sought an alliance with Cersei because that was a way out, a way to avoid being "the monster" he thought everyone believed he was. It was love in the end... love is the end of duty.

                    • dēaþ
                      dēaþ  2 months back

                      Tyrion can only he as smart as the writers and they seem to be pretty dumb.

                      • MrLikesEverything
                        MrLikesEverything  2 months back

                        Tyrion took over Barristan and Jorah as the military advisor. Everyone bashes him for not seeing Casterly Rock and the other strategic things he didn't see. That's not Tyrion's fault. That's Dany's fault for believing a man with little to no real world military experience. If this was Tyrion being clever and having some master plan then the writer's didn't do enough to reveal this to us.

                        • UptownDowntownNY
                          UptownDowntownNY  2 months back

                          please explain this shit to me he was my favorite

                          • N P
                            N P  3 months back

                            Ouch

                            • array s
                              array s  3 months back

                              Remember when we thought he was working with Cersei to screw up Dany? Nah, D&D werent too smart for that kind of twist!

                              • Calvin Bottoms
                                Calvin Bottoms  3 months back

                                We don't have enough men.

                                Sends Dothraki on suicide mission... undead army +10%

                                • Amroo kh
                                  Amroo kh  3 months back

                                  A lion does not concern himself with the opinion of sheeps

                                  • Sarah Gonzales-Hamlin
                                    Sarah Gonzales-Hamlin  4 months back

                                    And now that the show is over it does go to show that though you did think at the time you created this video that there had to of been a reason for them to quote them down” Tyrion’s character we now know it was just a show runners being lazy

                                    • TRtherocknroller
                                      TRtherocknroller  4 months back

                                      The guy’s always been a fuck-up. It’s just that he’s good at words and throwing his wealth around thus making everyone think he’s smart. And has had no real responsibility. With Danny he actually has responsibilities and also no longer has wealth to throw around

                                    • Joshua Packman
                                      Joshua Packman  4 months back

                                      I don't blame the writers that not who I am I don't hate season 8 I love it but I think tyrion is still very smart he was just put into something he never wanted to be in I know loving season 8 is a very unpopular opinion but I don't care screw it

                                      • just some creature of this earth

                                        04:06 "They want us to question his judgement. They must be building up to something."

                                        Lol, no, it's just shitty writing.

                                        • AK Jay
                                          AK Jay  4 months back

                                          They made Tyrion complan about Theon making dwarf jokes, D&D forgot that they made Tyrion provoke Theon first. Mr. wear it like a suit of armor smh

                                          • Anjelica Snorcket
                                            Anjelica Snorcket  4 months back

                                            AK Jay That's not the only time they did that....it's like they never saw the show before...

                                        • Jeff Hallam
                                          Jeff Hallam  4 months back

                                          No the showrunners are morons and LAZY! Theyre more concerned about their Star Wars sequels.

                                          • SallinKari
                                            SallinKari  4 months back

                                            As someone who has ran a DM where I ended up playing a party member, a war cleric with an incredible insight, I suspect they might have ran into the exact same issue I did... You need to figure out how to make things happen, without the character being able to get in the way of it. Like me, they decided that rather than outsmarting him, they would they would undermine him... Now for me, this was part of an evil god of corruption worming its way into his mind, warping his judgement and will, making him progressively less reliable, while also adding a ticking clock to the party's quest to defeat the big bad. For them, however... They just lobotomized him without actually letting us know they did so.

                                            • Publius Aelius Hadrian
                                              Publius Aelius Hadrian  4 months back

                                              Hash

                                              • Kyle Magley
                                                Kyle Magley  5 months back

                                                there must be a reason... nope, only in headcanon

                                                • KingsKnightNumbaTres
                                                  KingsKnightNumbaTres  5 months back

                                                  Honestly considering with all that was happened I don't blame Daenerys for her actions at King's Landing Tyrion and literally cost at her everything

                                                  • Jason Stansbury
                                                    Jason Stansbury  5 months back

                                                    The answer to this question is the answer to why the show went downhill after Martin's source material ran out. Poor thinking and writing.

                                                    • Michael Wenzel
                                                      Michael Wenzel  5 months back

                                                      I think I figured it out. Tyrion didn`t suddenly become stupid. No, this is all part of a brilliant plan, masterminded by - Cersei! Think about it. Tywin wanted to force Cersei into a marriage she didn`t want. So Cersei had to get rid of her father. Killing him herself would be much to risky, so she arranged Tyrions escape and he kills Tywin for her. Then Tyrion seeks shelter with Daenerys, becomes one of her main advisers and sabotages her conquest of Westeros by giving her stupid advice (remember, he almost got her killed by the Harpys!). This was the second part of Cerseis brilliant plan. Yes, Tyrion is secretly working for Cersei. Oh Cersei, you brilliant bitch, it almost worked :-)

                                                      • Ambie or James
                                                        Ambie or James  5 months back

                                                        Bad Writing

                                                        • Daenerys was just Remodeling

                                                          I think this is part of the reason she second guessed listening to the bell

                                                          • Matti Kauppinen
                                                            Matti Kauppinen  5 months back

                                                            Tyrion suffered severe brain damage in the crate when escaping King's Landing

                                                            • Stiliyan Atanasov
                                                              Stiliyan Atanasov  5 months back

                                                              Look,this is a longshot,but i think im onto something
                                                              Shit writing

                                                              • Valter Östberg
                                                                Valter Östberg  5 months back

                                                                I mean I wish visual spectacle was ever prioritized on the show, but it kinda isn't. At least not when choosing what to adapt. In some episodes there is stuff that is supposed to be breathtaking action scenes and stuff. But none of the actually impressive vistas are taken from the books. The outlandish architecture and artifacts, the enormous hosts and the overpopulated cities. So a choreographed fight scene shot in a single long take, that's something that the show will give you. But not something that is actually visually impressive, something that could not exist but the visual medium can fool you into believing it does.

                                                                • Croatsky
                                                                  Croatsky  5 months back

                                                                  DnD insisted in "Inside the episode" videos that Tyrion is smart whole time, just got outplayed by Cersei and Euron.

                                                                  • Shannon Reynolds
                                                                    Shannon Reynolds  5 months back

                                                                    Because dipshit and dumbass can't write for shit and they have the actors emoting instead of acting wasting their talents. I want to hear what the cast has to say once their NDAs expire.

                                                                    • Transparant Adoration
                                                                      Transparant Adoration  5 months back

                                                                      I enjoyed this. Thank you.

                                                                      • Lambert Akwa
                                                                        Lambert Akwa  5 months back

                                                                        you’re so optimistic Robert. We all know why lol

                                                                        • Tun Huang
                                                                          Tun Huang  5 months back

                                                                          Interesting explaination. Though Tyrion still totally got outsmarted when Cercei and Euron ambushed Asha, the Martells, Highgarden and abandoned Casterly Rock. It was a big bamble, because they were fucked if Daenarys headed straight towards King's Landing. Cercei knew Tyrion too well that he would try to not attack King's Landing directly. Not saying Tyrion should have done that, but he got outsmarted, and it was his fault that he forgot to predict Euron's movement. They knew Euron would side with Cercei and forgot about him everytime.
                                                                          It is quite realistic though. Smart and witty politicians aren't necessarily good military strategists, there are many examples in history.

                                                                          • Ali Kourany
                                                                            Ali Kourany  5 months back

                                                                            Excuse me for the question but does your voice come out of your asshole or mouth/

                                                                            • Claudius Pulcher
                                                                              Claudius Pulcher  5 months back

                                                                              Given the last episodes it seems unlikely that it was a coincidence for Tyrion to stop being smart just as the book material ran out.

                                                                              • Melissa Silverman
                                                                                Melissa Silverman  5 months back

                                                                                Nope, turned out no cunning plan. The writers just suddenly changed his character and made him stupid 😡

                                                                                • Sam School
                                                                                  Sam School  5 months back

                                                                                  More High Quality Than BBC

                                                                                  • Kody Tiffany
                                                                                    Kody Tiffany  6 months back

                                                                                    You have clearly read the books; what you described lines up with a vision/prophecy that Dannys been partially obsessed with.
                                                                                    3 betrayals I believe it mentions... unfortunately she is to much like Rhaeger in some respects and i believe she misread the meaning not realizing that either herself/Tyrion/Jon could fit in the context of it; in turn dooming herself on accident.

                                                                                    • IantoddusSardus
                                                                                      IantoddusSardus  6 months back

                                                                                      she was pregnant but the writers kind of forgot about continuity

                                                                                      • Reality Bites
                                                                                        Reality Bites  6 months back

                                                                                        Tyrion actually outsmarted everyone. He is pretty much king now, with nobody knowing his cards. Tyrion is a true blue lannister. She used daenerys as a pawn. Daenerys should have never trusted a dwarf who killed his own father for sleeping with his prostitute. He is worse than cersei lol.

                                                                                        • Reality Bites
                                                                                          Reality Bites  6 months back

                                                                                          @Delike el Ducce you grammar nazis cant forgive one grammatical mistake lol. I said He is basically king now and you chose to focus on that one grammatical error lol.

                                                                                        • Delike el Ducce
                                                                                          Delike el Ducce  6 months back

                                                                                          Tyrion is a guy.

                                                                                      • Laryah Arya
                                                                                        Laryah Arya  6 months back

                                                                                        Duty is the death of love, and give versa. Those Lannisters had bonds forged in adversity, except for Bronn.

                                                                                        • Tatyana Melnikoff
                                                                                          Tatyana Melnikoff  6 months back

                                                                                          george r.r. martin's tyrion is clever.
                                                                                          d&d can't write clever.
                                                                                          but they sure can pay to try and steal grrm's talents. they failed at being theives and liars.

                                                                                          • Susan Lundstedt
                                                                                            Susan Lundstedt  6 months back

                                                                                            I think Tyrion is being WRITTEN as stupid because Peter made the mistake of complaining about the script....so DnD decided to get back at him.